> Anthony, how are you?
<Anthony List, Jr.> Good. You?
> Pat, welcome back...So far, you're the only
loyal user I know.
<Pat> hah, i try.
> Great....Pat meet Anthony List, Jr....He's a
well-regarded lawyer who practices in
Delaware County and Phila. Co.
> Anthony, what type of things are you doing
these days?
> Criminal?
<Anthony List, Jr.> Same stuff. Criminal, a lot of
stuff w/ driver's license.
> I want to talk about the sorry state of affairs
involving some of the recent criminals who had
committed acts which in my estimation are
beyond comprehension....How do they get a
fair trial?
<Anthony List, Jr.> What do you mean? Beause
of publicity?
> For instance, I just posted about a woman who
hit her pregnant neighbor (in PA) over the head
w/ a baseball bat, dragged her to the woods
and sliced upon her stomach to try to cut out a
live fetus....
> I guess,.....Some of these criminal defense
lawyers, like yourself, are sharp and there are
so many technicalities.....
<Anthony List, Jr.> I would think it would be tough
to get an impartial jury, so i wouldn't be
surprised if the lawyer moves for a venue
change.
> For example, the criminal confesses and then
plays games about wanting a lawyer...because
in my opinion career criminals know how to
beat the system.
<Anthony List, Jr.> If she says it before asking for
a lawyer, it comes in.
> Which leads to an excluded admission....Even
with a venue change though ....
> Pat?
> Anyway, last week I believe we talked about the
kid who tried to behead his sleeping father w/ a
samurai sword./.....
> Clearly there's no real fear associated with the
judicial repurcussions...
<Pat> What sort of venue change are we talking
about? Is there any spot where a jury wouldn't
be impartial for a heinous crime?
> Perhaps...Tony?
> How do we draw the line between the stuff
lawyers do to avoid malpractice and the stuff
they do that actually works
<Anthony List, Jr.> A venue change would be
possible if the media had already poisoned the
well so to speak. For a crime in Philly, They
may seek a jury from the sticks.
<Pat> I see
> Makes sense. Tony, weigh in on this surge of
identity thefts...
> I was just recently the "victim" of one of these,
where some lowlife got a hold of my checking
acount number and bought a bunch of
cigarettes, smokes and porn online in my
name....
<Anthony List, Jr.> I honestly have not defended
someone for it, but ironically know a fellow
defense lawyer who just started a company
that focuses on protecting against it.
> The vendors don't care beause the banks pay
the victims back....They seem to be facilitating
it which will be a challenge for your friend.
> It's just so amazingly easy w/ the Internet and
people are stealing millions w/ out
consequence.
<Anthony List, Jr.> Gotta look at those credit card
bills closely.
> So there's the guy who gets caught on the CNN
special who explains that he did it because he
figured it was a victimless crime.
> And that he would get caught.
> True, but some of these companies add on
bogus charges, which only makes it harded to
protect.
<Pat> yeah it seems to me that vendors should
have to pay more attention as well.
> I think the laws, whatever they are, are not
tough enough because no body seems to
care.
<Pat> the invention of credit cards that don't even
require a swipe, but rather just a hovering over,
won't help, i don't think
> Hey Pat, did you follow the Saddam trial and
hanging?
<Pat> a bit
<Pat> not extremely closely
> what about the beheading?
> Tony, did he get full due process?
<Anthony List, Jr.> Don't know much about it.
<Pat> i'm not sure about the process, but...
<Pat> what pissed me off was every country's
reaction (with the exception of like, Brazil)...
which went something like:
> Here's the deal..People are saying the exeution
(not beheading - a hanging) was 2 fast.
<Pat> well, we don't condone it, but we respect
their right to execute him in a such a fashion.
which is not saying anything at all
> Right, the media has turned some legit. crim
procecesses into political circus.
> So you're not one of these conspiracy theorists
who claims we were pulling the strings....
> Tony, more locally for a minute....You know that
I live in Phila. and frankly the state of affairs
with crime is frightening.
> What's the deal? I hear everyone's afraid to
testify.....
> I think Tony dropped. ....Tony, thanks for your
input....Get me a picture so I can put it up next
time...
> Pat, looks like it's you and me...Anything you
want to discuss?
<Pat> well with the Saddam thing, i don't deny
that we are probably pulling strings
> What makes you say that? I think he was hated
by millions...We only the see the extremists,
not the rest of the world.
[Fri Feb 02 16:39:47 GMT-05:00 2007] Pat
<Pat> no doubt millions hated him, but what's
questionable was his right to a fair trial, which
seemingly didn't happen
<Pat> and the US, and others, sit by while he's
dealt with in an archaic fashion, but nobody
says anything (except for like, Brazil and the
UN)
<Pat> from what i recall
> I beg to differ but respect your POV>...
> Let's turn to the Brandy car collision....
> did you follow it?
<Pat> okay - another example of celebrities
working the popularity card?
> She killed someone and will get off w/ a slap of
the wrist....
<Pat> what's the usual charge for causing an
accident resulting in a death?
> Except of course, she will likely get lit up by an
absurb multi -Million dollar settlement....
> It depends....If she had been intoxicated she
may have gotten hit with a felony instead of the
misdemeanor...
<Pat> okay. yeah, it just seems like another
example of why the rich can pay their way out
of mistakes
<Pat> she'll probably write a song about it, and
it'll become a top ten hit
<Pat> netting her the millions she lost.
> good point.....
> Alright, let's stop it there until next week....
<Pat> sounds good. thanks, see you then
